I know this has been talked about over and over again but I wanted to take a poll on the matter as I am still deciding on what will be best for my 1098.
Thanks.
Jason
Thanks.
Jason
You don't have the bike yet and your being anal alreadyVisitorQ said:I know this has been talked about over and over again but I wanted to take a poll on the matter as I am still deciding on what will be best for my 1098.
Thanks.
Jason
That oil is Synthetic as far as I know.853MACHINE said:It is going to be full of fluids when you get it so use the oil that is in it.
Because I was told that synthetic oil was too slick and not good for ring seal.Nightshade said:Why is this an issue? Ducati puts oil in it for break-in so this shouldn't even be a consideration.
I take extremely good care of the stuff I own (ask anyone who knows me). I only want what is best for the bike. I want to break it in the correct way, yeilding the most HP from the motor and best/ proper ring seal.cachee0 said:You don't have the bike yet and your being anal already
Yeah I all know we want to hear what we want. I am just trying to make sure ya know and that is why I put the poll. Like I said, to just get a strait yes or no answer so I would not get blasted for touching this topic again. =]galaxy said:You again??? Are you even going to be satisfied with the answer this time when it's overwhelming to use synthetic, or are you going to start something else until you get the answer you want?? Man, I bet this is going to drive you completely BONKERS if it ends up being 50/50!!
This is exactly how I broke in my Honda, 0 problems but the thing that get's me with Ducati is they ship with synthetic oil, Honda's don't. If Ducati shipped with non-synthetic oil I would not even think twice about this subject and break the bike in just like I did with my Honda... Exactly the method you posted above.Pyrate said:I just purchased a new '06 ST3, waiting for it to be shipped as we speak. When I get it I am going to drain the oil, replace the filter and fill it with 10W-40 Valvoline non-synthetic.
I am then going to break it in per mototune's recommendation, the street method. After 20 miles I will drain the oil and replace the filter with the same as above and probably run that for 1,000 to 1,500 miles. From that point forward I will use a synthetic but same weight, preferable for twins.
I have never done it like this before so this is a first. I really won't know if its better than the "recommended" method but if it blows up, burns oil, runs bad etc I will post it here.
This is an endless debate with great points on both sides. Since I have tried the other approach (with no adverse results that I know of) I want to try this approach. I typically have not kept my bikes very long but that has changed so I don't have a good long history with the recommended break in. It was a Honda though and I personally think they are the best built bikes in the world, just everyone has one.
For what its worth, this will be my approach. Hell it might be wrong but damit I will do something.
Beautiful...Perfect write up.ColinMc said:Ok I go by the school of thought of breaking a motor in with regular oil...but WHY ON EARTH would ducati ship all the new 1098's with synthetic if it was in question?!!! They have TONS of money tied up in this bike, how well it does, it's longevity. Why would they risk damage to the bike or break in problems by putting MORE expensive oil in instead of regular oil?! Modern motorcycle and car engines for that matter are made of completely different metals, alloys...etc...and have coatings that didn't exist even 2 years ago. Using regular oil to break in an engine is a leftover trend from old cast iron block engines and whatnot. The ONLY reason I still break motors in with regular oil is because it's cheaper. If i'm only using it to flush out the assembly lube and whatnot I'm not using 9 dollar a quart oil. The rings will seat fine, the bearings will seat just fine with synthetic oil.
Despite whether you agree with my engine break in logic as far as modern engines...at the least I'm hoping people can understand that Ducati wouldn't risk shipping their brand new bike to use synthetic oil from the get go. My M3 came with synthetic from the factory, I race it HARD and have never used anything but synthetic from the get go...no issues. When I tore the engine down to put higher comp pistons in at 90k, everything still looked brand spanking new...So do what you want, but realize that this poll is probably just going to yield a fairly even spread on both sides...I'd stick with the factory stuff rather than risk voiding a warrantee by putting regular oil in it.
Ok i'm finished...sorry i'll go now lol
I hear what you are saying but just because Ducati ships it with whatever, doesn't mean it is the best. Take for instance Anti-Freeze vs. Engine Ice, totally different subject but if Engine Ice is better than regular anti-freeze (IMO) why wouldn’t Ducati ship their bikes with it in it?ColinMc said:Ok I go by the school of thought of breaking a motor in with regular oil...but WHY ON EARTH would ducati ship all the new 1098's with synthetic if it was in question?!!! They have TONS of money tied up in this bike, how well it does, it's longevity. Why would they risk damage to the bike or break in problems by putting MORE expensive oil in instead of regular oil?! Modern motorcycle and car engines for that matter are made of completely different metals, alloys...etc...and have coatings that didn't exist even 2 years ago. Using regular oil to break in an engine is a leftover trend from old cast iron block engines and whatnot. The ONLY reason I still break motors in with regular oil is because it's cheaper. If i'm only using it to flush out the assembly lube and whatnot I'm not using 9 dollar a quart oil. The rings will seat fine, the bearings will seat just fine with synthetic oil.
Despite whether you agree with my engine break in logic as far as modern engines...at the least I'm hoping people can understand that Ducati wouldn't risk shipping their brand new bike to use synthetic oil from the get go. My M3 came with synthetic from the factory, I race it HARD and have never used anything but synthetic from the get go...no issues. When I tore the engine down to put higher comp pistons in at 90k, everything still looked brand spanking new...So do what you want, but realize that this poll is probably just going to yield a fairly even spread on both sides...I'd stick with the factory stuff rather than risk voiding a warrantee by putting regular oil in it.
Ok i'm finished...sorry i'll go now lol
Ummmmm, maybe because not everyone lives in Florida or Southern California??? Just a guess!VisitorQ said:I hear what you are saying but just because Ducati ships it with whatever, doesn't mean it is the best. Take for instance Anti-Freeze vs. Engine Ice, totally different subject but if Engine Ice is better than regular anti-freeze (IMO) why wouldn’t Ducati ship their bikes with it in it?
Jason
+1ColinMc said:Ok I go by the school of thought of breaking a motor in with regular oil...but WHY ON EARTH would ducati ship all the new 1098's with synthetic if it was in question?!!! They have TONS of money tied up in this bike, how well it does, it's longevity. Why would they risk damage to the bike or break in problems by putting MORE expensive oil in instead of regular oil?! Modern motorcycle and car engines for that matter are made of completely different metals, alloys...etc...and have coatings that didn't exist even 2 years ago. Using regular oil to break in an engine is a leftover trend from old cast iron block engines and whatnot. The ONLY reason I still break motors in with regular oil is because it's cheaper. If i'm only using it to flush out the assembly lube and whatnot I'm not using 9 dollar a quart oil. The rings will seat fine, the bearings will seat just fine with synthetic oil.
Despite whether you agree with my engine break in logic as far as modern engines...at the least I'm hoping people can understand that Ducati wouldn't risk shipping their brand new bike to use synthetic oil from the get go. My M3 came with synthetic from the factory, I race it HARD and have never used anything but synthetic from the get go...no issues. When I tore the engine down to put higher comp pistons in at 90k, everything still looked brand spanking new...So do what you want, but realize that this poll is probably just going to yield a fairly even spread on both sides...I'd stick with the factory stuff rather than risk voiding a warrantee by putting regular oil in it.
Ok i'm finished...sorry i'll go now lol
Three posts in and you've got your answer.853MACHINE said:It is going to be full of fluids when you get it so use the oil that is in it.
Chuckracer said:Three posts in and you've got your answer.
Guess what? The oil Ducati puts in the motor is great for break in. Ride it for 1000 miles flogging it mecilessly, change the oil to whatever super duper brand you think will save the world, flog it for 5000 miles more. Repeat as necessary.
Really...a search is the answer to your prayers. I thought we've talked about this?
Here's a video you really need to watch:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php
See...exactly what I said to begin with!! The comments here are almost 50/50 (ball park) but the poll results are 53% vs 47% in favor of synthetic, and you are still going against the results you asked for! I told you you had your mind made up before you started this crap. In the end though, there's no such thing as wasting money on our bikes!VisitorQ said:With the poll split as much as it is, I think I would rather the Non-Synthetic route just because I think it could only do more good than bad. I mean what is the worst case, I waste money on oil.
Jason