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View Poll Results: Is your SF tank expanding?
Yes, there is some evidence of tank expansion/distortion 59 50.00%
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post #21 of 212 (permalink) Old Sep 17th, 2010, 12:39 pm Thread Starter
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Holy shit, 11 "yes" votes so far, this is scary.
Exactly. 11 out of like 33 people so far. Not good!

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I wonder what number a faulty party usually generates a voluntary recall?
I work for Honda (car, not bike) and one time when I was at HQ in Torrance I asked that question and was told 1/10 of 1%. That seems like a really low number to me but that is what I was told.

Until people start registering complaints with NHTSA then there will only be a recall when DNA wants to do something about it.

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I work for Honda (car, not bike) and one time when I was at HQ in Torrance I asked that question and was told 1/10 of 1%. That seems like a really low number to me but that is what I was told.

Until people start registering complaints with NHTSA then there will only be a recall when DNA wants to do something about it.
Anyone have a link for the NHTSA complaint line?

I dunno, maybe fuel tanks that are swelling and expanding would potentially weaken them, and perhaps the DOT needs to look into the issue. Maybe if the tanks were examined and the DOT said that Ducati could not sell them until they replaced the tanks with ones that would not expand, DNA would address the issue?

When the bikes were originally inspected and cleared for sale in the US, that was with the understanding that the tanks were not defective.

If the tank is expanding and getting gouged by other parts on the bike, it doesn't take a genius to suggest that perhaps the structural integrity of the tank is somewhat compromised, does it?

I think that I will forward this thread and others, to the NHTSA and DOT and see what they think. Perhaps that will light a fire under DNA's ass?

Any thoughts?

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Anyone have a link for the NHTSA complaint line?

I dunno, maybe fuel tanks that are swelling and expanding would potentially weaken them, and perhaps the DOT needs to look into the issue. Maybe if the tanks were examined and the DOT said that Ducati could not sell them until they replaced the tanks with ones that would not expand, DNA would address the issue?

When the bikes were originally inspected and cleared for sale in the US, that was with the understanding that the tanks were not defective.

If the tank is expanding and getting gouged by other parts on the bike, it doesn't take a genius to suggest that perhaps the structural integrity of the tank is somewhat compromised, does it?

I think that I will forward this thread and others, to the NHTSA and DOT and see what they think. Perhaps that will light a fire under DNA's ass?

Any thoughts?
Squire, I gotta say you are going to have a heart attack if you keep getting overly excited about this. Yes, it's important, but take a deep breath and relax a bit man.

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Squire, I gotta say you are going to have a heart attack if you keep getting overly excited about this. Yes, it's important, but take a deep breath and relax a bit man.
Look at it this way. If I just had a defective tank, no biggie, they give me a new one.

But this problem has been present for years, some people are on their third tank already, and still they use the defective tanks.

That is why I am pissed. Not because they had a bad run of tanks. Because they know about the problem, have known for at least 2 years, and they choose to still use them.

Why?

Because to date, nobody has made enough of an issue of it to make it worth their time to fix it. Because people like you and I, let them get away with it.

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[QUOTE=LaRossa;928482]I'm going that route myself, mean time I'm going to use this stuff
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sta-B...item2eafd755e1

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I was going to bring that up... I have been using Sta-Bil wtih some frequency, usually if I know a bike might sit for a week or more....

Anyone part of this poll, that has swelling using a stabilizer???
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I'm going that route myself, mean time I'm going to use this stuff
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sta-B...item2eafd755e1

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I was going to bring that up... I have been using Sta-Bil wtih some frequency, usually if I know a bike might sit for a week or more....

Anyone part of this poll, that has swelling using a stabilizer???
That stabilizer is made just for the ethanol causing problems, it can be used with every fill up and I guess if you still have swelling problems after that, it must be something else causing it....
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Maybe I am wrong, but I had the impression that the formulation of the plastic used to make up the tank that allows it to be painted versus a tank for say an enduro bike which cannot be painted due to the plastic formula is what we are at odds with. Acerbis makes both types of tanks. The one that can be painted, does not fair well to any gas. I don't know if it is a case of formulation or what is or is not done to coat the interior, but we do know that Acerbis can make a plastic tank that does not swell... It just can't be painted.

If this is the case, Ducati has three options; either build a metal tank, or make a non pervious skin for a non paintable tank like a tank shroud, or come up with an interior coating that is impervious to chemicals.

I nearly shat myself when I saw what the replacement cost of my S2R tank was. While that is a retail price, it would seem that a metal tank, mass produced, would not cost that much to put to market.

I guess it would be nice to be the fly on the wall at Ducati so as to know what the plan of action is and more importantly what they have set for time line goals. Since it has already been years of this predicament, it would seem they have hit a wall with probably the production costs of metal versus plastic tanks and the added nightmare of replacing umteen thousand existing tanks.

This all reminds me of the scene in Fight Club, where a discussion was made as to the probabilities of a car part failing and how many people must get hurt, multiplied by the cost of settlement; whereas if the cost of settlement is less than the cost of recalling a part, then the decision is to continue making said defective part as it is much more economically viable to deal with the issue on a case by case nature than to have to admit error. Passion for your money. Passion for Red....Tape.

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Can you post a pic?
Here is the pic from the right side of the tank. I suck with a camera...
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