Gonna go with microtek

[pcoakle1]

Hi All,

Can anyone tell me exactly what should come with the microtek ECU for our Streetfighter-S?

I'm going to go with that ECU, just want to know what all comes in the box before purchasing.

thanks all

[ttpete]

You get the ECU, a pigtail, a cable to interface with a laptop, and a CD with computer program, base maps and a manual. If you're getting it from Ducshop, it'll have the configuration file and a map installed in the ECU for your bike. All you'll have to do is install the ECU, install the program in your laptop, hook up the cable, and do a TPS reset.

I strongly suggest you print out the manual on a COLOR printer and put it in a binder. You will need it.

[flynbulldog]

You might want to make sure you have a good tuner in your area. The supplied map will need some work.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by flynbulldog

You might want to make sure you have a good tuner in your area. The supplied map will need some work.

The microtec is a solution... but you have to have a dyno map done for it.
Now that does not mean you may not have some issues. My only problem with the unit was cold starting. Cold starting issues can only be addressed maybe once a day, twice in winter weather I guess. Once the bike has heat in it, you are wasting your time. I had my shit all squared up, then I put cans on and it never got back to that good... so I went and did the Lofgren deal. Who knows, maybe my TPS going bad was the culprit in that whole saga. Because that is what went south after the can remap. Just one of those things.

[pcoakle1]

thanks guys. I'm planning on using my semi-local guy to tune it. The Tampa Ducati Dealer seems to feel that the Termi full system with DP ECU is the best setup. Swears by them..... I'm not impressed. The owner discredits everything mentioned on this forum about the full termi system with DP ECU. Which I can't help but translate to spend $$ on Ducati's Termi system even though it won't fix the fueling issues...

The dealer where I bought the bike is owned by a 'master tuner' so I'm gonna take a shot with them. He has always been big on the microtek.

But in all fairness, with these ducati dealers you never know if they are blowing smoke up your arse. This is why I'm asking what should come with the microtek to make sure they don't screw me.

This is going to be the credibility test...

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by pcoakle1

thanks guys. I'm planning on using my semi-local guy to tune it. The Tampa Ducati Dealer seems to feel that the Termi full system with DP ECU is the best setup. Swears by them..... I'm not impressed. The owner discredits everything mentioned on this forum about the full termi system with DP ECU. Which I can't help but translate to spend $$ on Ducati's Termi system even though it won't fix the fueling issues...

The dealer where I bought the bike is owned by a 'master tuner' so I'm gonna take a shot with them. He has always been big on the microtek.

But in all fairness, with these ducati dealers you never know if they are blowing smoke up your arse. This is why I'm asking what should come with the microtek to make sure they don't screw me.

This is going to be the credibility test...

Make sure he gives you all the stuff I mentioned. As I said, there's a short pigtail that plugs into the ECU between the two big connectors. This plugs into a USB cable with a circuit box in the middle of it, which then plugs into your laptop. Also, have him burn a CD with copies of both the configuration file and the map that you paid him to make for you. You may need to reinstall them somewhere down the line.

I say this because it's not unknown for a dealer to not mention anything to the customer and send him off without these items.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by pcoakle1

thanks guys. I'm planning on using my semi-local guy to tune it. The Tampa Ducati Dealer seems to feel that the Termi full system with DP ECU is the best setup. Swears by them..... I'm not impressed. The owner discredits everything mentioned on this forum about the full termi system with DP ECU.

How can all this info provided by more owners than any one dealer be discredited? Because it's the interweb? I think the proper way to address any tuning info is with hard evidence. If someone has a bike that is tuned right, they have proof of what's been done and a dyno chart to show AFR/HP etc., and if the tuning was done for the full range of TP, then all is good. It does not good for street riding to have the best WOT map, when you never get to use it. So don't chase after top numbers when a choice of smooth strong power is the goal... imo

I don't recall anyone hailing the full termi system as "the answer", any bike needs proper tuning. Even a "stock" DP ECU is not tuned for your bike. It was made with a test bike that was not set up exactly like any other bike. Then again what makes one person happy with the set up may not satisfy the next. I was so bothered by the fueling issues on mine that I found the bike unsafe to roll on the throttle out of turns. It hit that hard.

[flynbulldog]

Originally Posted by pcoakle1

thanks guys. I'm planning on using my semi-local guy to tune it. The Tampa Ducati Dealer seems to feel that the Termi full system with DP ECU is the best setup. Swears by them..... I'm not impressed. The owner discredits everything mentioned on this forum about the full termi system with DP ECU. Which I can't help but translate to spend $$ on Ducati's Termi system even though it won't fix the fueling issues...

The dealer where I bought the bike is owned by a 'master tuner' so I'm gonna take a shot with them. He has always been big on the microtek.

But in all fairness, with these ducati dealers you never know if they are blowing smoke up your arse. This is why I'm asking what should come with the microtek to make sure they don't screw me.

This is going to be the credibility test...

You're taking a big and expensive chance. We all know from experience that the map that comes with the Microtec for the SF is pretty bad, certainly a lot worse than the DP ECU.

I also think it has become clear (at least it is to me after studying all of the options for over a year) that the Termi Full system makes the most power of any of the aftermarket exhaust systems when custom tuned.

If you have a real tuning guru - one that knows how to tune a bike from bottom to top, the microtec (or Nemisis) will be better than anything out there.
But if your guy is not a complete genius you could be left with a bike that just plain sucks to ride.

I thought the tuner near me was supposed to be one of the best but he turned out to be an automaton who actually only knows how to replace sub-assemblies.
He doesn't really understand the engineering behind the engines (I believe it takes someone who understands complex engineering to be able to tune from scratch)
So I had to ditch my Microtec because nobody in my area could make it work.


BTW: What kind of dealer discredits all of his customer's opinions and experiences?
We have a collective understanding of this bike that can never be matched at any dealer level.
The sooner a dealership realizes this the sooner it will be back on the path to the customer and to profitability.
Happy customers spend money.

good luck.

[pcoakle1]

Flyn,

So what do you recommend?

The dealer 15 minutes from my door loves the DP ECU with Full Termi System.

When I told him about everyone's less-than-glorious results with that setup he said just ride his bike, and I'd love it. He has the SF as one of his rides...

I bought the bike about 45 minutes from my house at another dealer who has been recommending the microtek from day one, also with the full termi system. I like(d) the full termi, but wanted something a bit different. I have liked the shift-tech exhaust from the beginning.

I got the shift-tech system from a forum member and love the exhaust. Quality is top knotch, right foot clearance is now perfect and sound is amazing. I'm going to try to tune it around this exhaust.

I understand that I may not gain the power of the full termi system, but my main objective in new exhaust is cleaning up the fueling and improving the sound/aesthetics.

Shift-tech was recommending Sebastian from Melimmoto when I was inquiring about the shift-tech from him. He's the Ducati dealer 45 minutes from my house.

I would have bought from Shift-Tech then, but he didn't have the pipes to do it at the time. 3 weeks later and somebody was selling that exact system. So timing was good.

I agree with all your points on dealers discrediting information these forums. I've been amazed over & over that they eiither don't know about what is going on in this forum; or just don't care....

Thoughts are appreciated.
Pat

Originally Posted by flynbulldog

You're taking a big and expensive chance. We all know from experience that the map that comes with the Microtec for the SF is pretty bad, certainly a lot worse than the DP ECU.

I also think it has become clear (at least it is to me after studying all of the options for over a year) that the Termi Full system makes the most power of any of the aftermarket exhaust systems when custom tuned.

If you have a real tuning guru - one that knows how to tune a bike from bottom to top, the microtec (or Nemisis) will be better than anything out there.
But if your guy is not a complete genius you could be left with a bike that just plain sucks to ride.

What kind of dealer discredits all of his customer's opinions and experiences?
We have a collective understanding of this bike that can never be matched at any dealer level.
The sooner a dealership realizes this the sooner it will be back on the path to the customer and to profitability.
Happy customers spend money.

good luck.

[pcoakle1]

Here's the new exhaust...