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[Gilly]

OK, since you are the gadget whore around here, maybe you would/could answer a couple questions for me?

1. Does the cable for the Ducatidiag have two alligator clips (+and-) or just a positive?

The second cable (Fiat 3 Pin) has the plug to hook into the diagnostic pigtail under the seat, and both - & + alligator clamps for power. I snipped mine and added a couple additional feet, since the Hyper has the battery up front and the ecu out back.

2. I spent a few hours on that forum and had no idea what I was looking at... What is the process/ order to get the software and a license to run it? (I was thinking there should be a download to talk to the ecu in order to determine serial #s and then request license, similar to my tuneboy set up)

You can download the software, and wait for your cables to come in. Don't buy the cable from China or Hong Kong, you can get them off amazon in about 4 business days.

Once you have the TWO cables (ODB2-blue cable and the Fiat 3 Pin cable with alligator power leads), you hook them up to the bike. I recommend just hooking the power leads, then inside the software there is a cable check button to make sure you haven't hooked power up backwards. That would be bad. On mine the cable check did nothing. I imagine you get some sort of indicator that you effed up in the software window. I dont know.

After that check, you have to pull the written data off the ECU. It has stickers on both sides, write this stuff down or type it into notepad. Above that info in notepad you can write 2010 SF, any mods like exhaust etc. You will be pasting this info into the software when you do THE DUMP.

The dump involves saving out your ECU data. It will open the software up to that screen, and you paste you ECU data from above into the text window. Then you hit the button to dump you ecu data, name the file, save to desktop. It takes about 15 minutes to dump. You will see a process bar and the lines of code being written out to the file as it goes.

There is also a COPY button. You use this to copy the ECU's internal data info about the ECU type, etc and you can paste that to a separate note pad file. This will be posted to the BB when you request your license fro JP.

After your ECU is dumped, there is a free upload site to send it to. Look in the thread about SEND YOUR MAPS or something like that. The file is small 250k or thereabouts.

When JP reads you request for license, and sees your map, he sends you a PM with a link for a license file to download. Save that file to the program folder of DucatiDiag. From there you have the ability to set the TPS, CO Trimmer, Wrench reset, look at error codes (DTC).

Some have complained about not being able to connect. But if you watch the installer of the DucatiDiag software you will see it install the drivers for the ODB2 Cable, and it will tell you what port it is using. You need to enter the port number in the software, it's obvious where that goes. The software is mostly english, but some french is still there, but nothing big to worry about.

3. This is a shot in the dark and slightly off topic, but did you happen to notice anyone able to use wideband 02 sensors in conjunction with the VDST software to tune to a target AFR?

Over in the Superbike section, TomTom was talking in a thread with someone who was wanting to use the Innovate Sport Wideband to a PC, and he was helpful with the pin out info etc. You should be able to find that thread. I was not aware you could do any tuning with the VDST, you could get the wide band to show up on the VDST monitor, if that's what you mean.. via an auxilliary input of sorts... I hadn't read that info in a while but recall it as do-able.

I bought the FAST wideband 02 sensor in hopes of being able to road tune but I haven't gotten around to setting it all up. I am slowly getting the bike running better and better with the Tuneboy software, just trying to get it as close to perfect as possible.

If you have TuneBoy, you shouldn't need to use DucatiDiag. Can't Tuneboy do TPS etc? I don't know much about TuneBoy.

Last night in looking thru more of the site, there is a guy who is giving away... again, FREE, a software tool that READS the map you dumped out. It's similar to other programs, but very crude. If you upgrade to the Flashing software, you can alter your own maps or one's from the site. If all else fails you can always put your map back on the ecu.

I was just looking for an inexpensive manner of deleting the O2sensors, removing the Exhaust valve and getting a map on there for when I do stacks to the Hyper.

As the saying goes... use at your own risk, I wrote all the above shit from memory and hopefully not much is scrambled... but it seems to work fine and JP is very responsive to questions. Usually a twelve hour wait though FFS!!!

Thanks.

[Gilly]

Here are links to all there is to know. If you have questions about the stuff, sign up on the BB and ask JP. Google translate works well in FF, that's how I got through the learning curve. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

STUFF YOU NEED TO BUY FROM AMAZON FFS



What you enter into the DUMP text window, plus model/year


Downloads
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JP's Web Page where some things are covered, and the download page link resides.
Ducati diagnostic software for iaw5 ECU

The Upload Part... It's using a free upload site, where you upload the ECU Dump file. Once uploaded, you see a link. You copy that link and post that in a message on the BB.
Free large file hosting. Send big files the easy way!

The List of Compatible Bikes
ducatidiag :: Connexion

The MAPS download link
Index of /MAPS

[iguanamafia]

Originally Posted by Gilly

Here are links to all there is to know. If you have questions about the stuff, sign up on the BB and ask JP. Google translate works well in FF, that's how I got through the learning curve. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

STUFF YOU NEED TO BUY FROM AMAZON FFS


.

What you enter into the DUMP text window, plus model/year


Downloads
HitCounter

JP's Web Page where some things are covered, and the download page link resides.
Ducati diagnostic software for iaw5 ECU

The Upload Part... It's using a free upload site, where you upload the ECU Dump file. Once uploaded, you see a link. You copy that link and post that in a message on the BB.
Free large file hosting. Send big files the easy way!

The List of Compatible Bikes
ducatidiag :: Connexion

The MAPS download link
Index of /MAPS

Thanks for all the info.
I'm going to try my tuneboy cable to see if it works (only has +cable). The only thing I really need it for is to shut off the service wrench and see what else I can do with it. There are some fuel management questions I have that hopefully I can answer by using this additional software as well(fuel air adjustments based on Engine temp/ Air intake temp/ETC..)

I already joined the forum, just couldn't make heads or tails of most of the stuff, specifically, unable to find a download link. Thanks again for your leg work, if.when I get this up and running my map that gets DUMPED will help a lot of other streetfighters also.

[iguanamafia]

So.. The Tuneboy cable works, however during start up, there were 3 cable choices that showed up. The first one (left to right) didn't work, but the top menu displayed all the options. When I selected the "Galletto" it immediately recognized everything and the data fields all filled in accurately, but "Dump" did not show up in the top menu.

I got all the information for the license using a hand held mirror to obtain the info under the harness. Just submitted my request, hope it works.

[Gilly]

Good deal. You may want to include this info with your license request so he knows about the tune boy cable. Who knows, even the VDST cable may work, while it is coded to the VDST software versions, the data from the bike is still riding that cable, and the DucatiDiag software is not looking for a license key like VDST does. Hmmm

[Gilly]

I saw JP's response to your post. You did understand his reply, yes? And also he is using Google Translate to write back, so when he say MP check, he is saying check your PM Message for the license key you should have there in

[iguanamafia]

I think I understood it. Gave me a couple options to get the cable running with the other cable set up.

No idea how I got the license to work, but in an case my wrench is gone.

My next project will be to try and adjust the CO trim. That'll be later.

Thanks again for your assistance. .

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by iguanamafia

I think I understood it. Gave me a couple options to get the cable running with the other cable set up.

No idea how I got the license to work, but in an case my wrench is gone.

My next project will be to try and adjust the CO trim. That'll be later.

Thanks again for your assistance. .

If you delve into the CO Trim, read thru some posts on that. Write down your stock CO number. Do not make huge changes. Use a CO analyzer to confirm adjustments. If you are doing seat of the pants with nothing to read the exhaust, I would be very conservative with changes and check at least the H plug for color prior to, then after. CO Trim is not an answer all to bad tuning, the map is. Although the CO Trim is important in getting things in the ball park with a map you cannot tweak, which is what is done with DP ECU's. I'm no expert, so don't put 100% into anything I say other than it being advice. I had not hooked it up to the SF yet, does the basic license allow for removal of the exhaust valve? That would be cool in and of itself. I don't know if a DP map for the SF is up there, but if that was the case, you could warrant the $$$ license to load that map, delete O2 sensors, dump the exhaust valve, set the CO and never look back. Im not interested in maps for the SF.

[iguanamafia]

Originally Posted by Gilly

If you delve into the CO Trim, read thru some posts on that. Write down your stock CO number. Do not make huge changes. Use a CO analyzer to confirm adjustments. If you are doing seat of the pants with nothing to read the exhaust, I would be very conservative with changes and check at least the H plug for color prior to, then after. CO Trim is not an answer all to bad tuning, the map is. Although the CO Trim is important in getting things in the ball park with a map you cannot tweak, which is what is done with DP ECU's. I'm no expert, so don't put 100% into anything I say other than it being advice. I had not hooked it up to the SF yet, does the basic license allow for removal of the exhaust valve? That would be cool in and of itself. I don't know if a DP map for the SF is up there, but if that was the case, you could warrant the $$$ license to load that map, delete O2 sensors, dump the exhaust valve, set the CO and never look back. Im not interested in maps for the SF.

I noticed you can disable the O2s but I didn't notice an exhaust valve disable option.

I'm running the DP tune modified via Tuneboy so, all of that stuff is already taken care of, my CO was zeroed out but it has the manufacturers specs on the page. I wont be doing any of that without my wideband 02 sensors hooked up, again thats another project I haven't gotten to experiment much with since I need to set up a backpack with laptop and wideband controllers before I can road tune.

I didn't see how much the additional license costs, if it's reasonable I wouldn't mind getting it just to give my map to the community.

Although Tuneboy has been sluggish with releasing the updated software that would really put it over the top as far as bang for the buck, I feel with the improvements I've already made, it was worth the money so far.

All of this fuel management/ECU crap is new to me and I think I've been very conservative and still made huge improvements. I had some interest from my local ducati dealer to get into the tuning aspects of Tuneboy, but that comes and goes as the season picks up and slows down. Hopefully I can get him to work with me since it will be huge for them once they get familiar with it.

Ducatidiag is an answer that doesn't quite seem as intuitive as Tuneboy but the diagnostic features are what Tuneboy lacks as of now (it's rumored to be on the way, the shell for the software is included, it just doesn't do anything).
Just having the ability to clear the service wrench or read DTC (diagnostic trouble codes), test fans, injectors, and a bunch of other stuff is pretty cool, for free.

[flynbulldog]

all this is what I was talking about in that other thread - way too much brain damage for me...