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Redline Performance Motorsports ECU reflash

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#1 · (Edited)
Like almost everyone on the Streetfighter forum, I wanted a solution to the 3500 rpm rough spot. I've had a 14t front sprocket, FatDuc O2 manipulators, and a PCV on my SF-S which has Termi slip-ons, DP ecu, high flow air filter, and DP carbon air ducts.

None seemed to work well enough. The PCV, at least on my bike, couldn't tune in the closed loop area below 5k rpm and the FatDucs created a rich situation around 3-3.5k rpm causing my exhaust tips to be very sooty.

I contemplated using a ProTune since I already had the PCV, but Dave Lillard from my dealership Redline Performance Motorsports asked me to wait because he had something brewing...

What Dave did was decide to learn about the Magneti Marelli ecu. He's an engineer by trade, so he flew over to Germany in November and took a course on the Marelli, learning the hex programming codes.

He discovered that Ducati was limiting horsepower in the first three gears while the last three gears had access to all available hp. Dave reprogrammed my ecu last Saturday, and boy is there a difference! He created a custom map and freed up the hp in the first three gears and of course got rid of the O2 sensors so he could tune throughout the full rev range.

The bike is amazing! It is smooothhhh... It is also crazy powerful! I went from 137.05 rwhp with 73.74 ft/lbs tq to 155.3 rwhp with 85.27 ft/lbs tq. Check out the dyno chart.

Needless to say, I'm ecstatic! My SF is transformed. If anyone needs their ecu reprogrammed, I suggest you give Dave a call (757-989-5000). No need to buy an aftermarket ecu when he could change your existing one. Apparently, Ducati USA has sent him some ecu's to reprogram and he also reprograms Siemens ecu's.

Btw, Dave is such a cool cat. Not only is he the owner, he's the suspension expert, and the tuner. You could always find him in the shop working on bikes. The dude also leads the group rides! :D

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#4 · (Edited)
F'n finally...

What Dave did was decide to learn about the Magneti Marelli ecu. He's an engineer by trade, so he flew over to Germany in November and took a course on the Marelli, learning the hex programming codes.
How about that. Someone actually took the time to crack the MM ECU. No more starting with a blank slate (shitty Microtec map) and attempting to build Rome in a day with a Microtec...

Is he going to offer any specific tuning options?
 
#5 · (Edited)
No more building Rome in a day with a Microtec...

Is he going to offer any specific tuning options?
He could do just about anything with it. Some of the things he mentioned was that he could change the bike's redline and the idle rpm. For the Multistrada crowd, he's going to work on electronic cruise control through the ECU after learning more about its ECU!
 
#6 ·
Im glad that your bike is sorted and your enjoying it. The dynocharts that are posted are 1.5yrs apart, and the temperatures are 14 deg different and the humidity differ quite a bit. Also the runs are run in std mode which read high. Very hard to get a true before and after comparison with the time spread and conditions. It is great to hear that you are happy with the way that the beast is running.
 
#8 ·
Dont let the numbers rule your mind.
Ride the bike and let the bike tell you.

With the SF, it's not a question of pinning anything but your ass to the seat!

With the SF, it's all about being smooth. Having a smooth tune is the key. It doesn't matter if the bike is making MAX POWER, just useable power.

Congrats on the tuning. Enjoy!
 
#10 ·
I was able to ride a demo SF that Dave had performed the flash on and it is smooth-smooth-SMOOTH. Pretty amazing, there's no lugging at low RPMs at all.

I've only had my bike for a bit and it's got the 14t sprocket plus Termi slip-on's and I can't really complain. It lugs a bit below 3500 RPM, but I would say it's on par with my old Monster. I may go with Dave's map down the road, if only for the low-end drivability in low speed driving situations.
 
#22 ·
Just got mine back, works like a charm. Reset the TPS and will be getting my CO levels done this week. The bike is smoother, faster, more torque and changed a couple factory temperature presets without a problem. Also the flatspot is completely gone! Thanks a bunch David!
 
#25 ·
No dyno numbers for before or after. Sorry guys. I am not running the PCV either. Just the Ducati Performance ECU. Bike runs like a charm and is way more responsive. Flat spot has disappeared.

If I get a chance to toss it on the dyno I will let you know!
 
#40 ·
Back on the road!

I just took a short ride after re-installing the reflashed ECU by David at Redline Motors, and there is a huge improvement! The 2k-4k rpm range is much more usable now. I commute on this bike a lot so this will be a world-changer for me. It seems to be a little smoother at all rpm ranges now, but that could be a bit psychological.

I'm just glad that there is a solution for the stock ECU that, while still not super cheap, at least isn't nearly as expensive as the aftermarket ECUs and dyno tuning.

Thanks Redline!


Still miffed at Ducati, though. They should have issued a recall and foot the bill for this fix.
 
#41 ·
I just sent in my ECU today to Dave, and hopefully my case will turn out as successful as your guys...

Here is my questions (I know I should ask BEFORE I sent mine ECU out :eek:):
- I have a pair Akrp slip-on, and will the map works well with it? Or it's just some old stock map from other Duc and I still need dyno?
- Have anyone experience any different in your bike operation? Like starting at N only... ?
- Any temp increase at lower speed?
- What's your exhaust set up? Full or slip-on?

I personally don't care much able the power gain; but I really need to fix the flat spot and power surge issue. It's really killing the fun riding my Fighter...

Thanks for all the input in advance... :)

I just took a short ride after re-installing the reflashed ECU by David at Redline Motors, and there is a huge improvement! The 2k-4k rpm range is much more usable now. I commute on this bike a lot so this will be a world-changer for me. It seems to be a little smoother at all rpm ranges now, but that could be a bit psychological.

I'm just glad that there is a solution for the stock ECU that, while still not super cheap, at least isn't nearly as expensive as the aftermarket ECUs and dyno tuning.

Thanks Redline!


Still miffed at Ducati, though. They should have issued a recall and foot the bill for this fix.
 
#42 ·
achung, didn't you discus your system with redline before you sent the ECU to him?
How will he know what tune to give you if he doesn't know what you're running on your bike?
If he gives you a tune for a stock exhaust your bike is gonna run like shit... :cool:
I think you need to give him a call.
 
#43 ·
Yeah... this is the first time I dive into the ECU thing and I am not exact knowing how to deal with this. I called him this morning and get a few things clarified. According to Dave, he will load the map that fit my exhaust and other setting (I enclose info about my current setting inside the package). The O2 sensors will be disabled, and everything below 5500 RPM is tunable - like adjustment AFR at the local dealership.

Hopefully this will help other who interested in his service... waiting now and will see how it goes :eek:
 
#47 ·
I was just at Redline today getting new tires when I talked with them about the ECU fix. I have a doubledog exhaust installed on my standard 2010 SF with the factory ECU settings currently, and the bike runs fine. When I asked about the ECU Flash I was told that it would be important to have a PC-V installed and the bike put on a dyno with the proper adjustments made for the flash to offer advantages outside of removing my check engine light from the flapper valve being removed. Their advice was to do the full tune with the ECU Flash which runs a little less than $1K total (Flash, Dyno and Labor).

I recommend before you get your ECU flashed and spend $300 dollars give them a call and get their professional opinion on your situation.
 
#51 ·
I was just at Redline today getting new tires when I talked with them about the ECU fix. I have a doubledog exhaust installed on my standard 2010 SF with the factory ECU settings currently, and the bike runs fine. When I asked about the ECU Flash I was told that it would be important to have a PC-V installed and the bike put on a dyno with the proper adjustments made for the flash to offer advantages outside of removing my check engine light from the flapper valve being removed. Their advice was to do the full tune with the ECU Flash which runs a little less than $1K total (Flash, Dyno and Labor).

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My experience was identical!! (same bike/exhaust) I paid $300 for the ECU reflash and an additional $150 for the base tune. I can't say it was night and day difference. But, like mjcarrol, my bike ran well on the stock ecu...
It def. changed the throttle action. We'll see....